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Just a date
« en: Septiembre 29, 2011, 03:32:45 pm »
Just a date
(repost from SL)

Day0
We went to a club with a bunch of friends. Hitting on women was not planned. Let's say that I had more than one glass of alcohol. So I was breaking one of the most essential rules: "Don't hit on girls when you're drunk." So I actually don't understand how could I got some success. But it's not the first time, when breaking the rules brought me more success than stick to it. I need to say I stuck with other rules like "Kino, kino, kino ..." or "befriend her friends".

The AP

The actual approach was on dance floor. Nothing clever, something like "Hi, How are you." Basically I was plowing with boring fluff like "What do you study?" plus from the first second I was using a lot of kino. I also went for my favorite routine "picture where you kissing me on cheek". IOI. I was also chatting with her friend. At one moment I meant he's her BF. But he was only orbiter who would like to get some more. In the end I got his approval.

I completely fucked-up the #close. I went for my usual. Handed her the phone with message add new contact. It's nothing complicated in writing down your number, true? False! She tried to write down her email, but she didn't found @. And I didn't check the contact, coz I was distracted by one of my friends.

Setting-up the date
I had no contact, only that photo. Okay nice photo and that's it. So let's upload it to a Facebook to brag a bit among my friends, true? False. After few hours I found out that another friend of mine (girl) tagged the girl who is kissing me in the picture. And I had also pending friendship request from the girl who was kissing me.

Setting-up the date was complex business. I asked her out like four times. But she never let come into effect rule "twice is enough". She always came-up with some lame excuse like "I have now partials in the Uni", but she always responded and shown willingness to go to a date. All my messages we're spiked with C&F and I escalated sexual spikes. After asking her out 4 times I said myself: "Fuck it. I'll find someone else". Exactly at that moment she suggested a date. I did post some status like: "Learning salsa is impossible." and she responded "I'll be your teacher." Later I found out that she actually doesn't know salsa.

The date
Things always go complicated. So the time of date went into collision with my trip to Puerto Escondido. But I'm fuckin' stubborn. So I made the date happen anyway. All the day we were arranging the trip. I had no time to take a shower before the date although I was sweaty as hell. I had no time to change the clothes. Lucky enough the plan of the battle was created in advance. I'm really bad with memorizing the faces:
Me: "Let's meet on 5 at the [place]. I hope you remember me well :-)."
She: "I don't I was hoping u remember me! :-D
Me: "Great! Let's play hide & seek. It'll be fun :-D
We recognize each other immediately. She brought me a present - a lollipop. Strong IOI. Hand-holding fails - IOD. The problem of all Mexicans is that they're fucking scared. (They call it safety issues.) Same thing with this girl. She told me that she doesn't trust unknown people. Okay. Luckily enough I was able to calm her down with exact plan what we gonna do, where and why. After that was kind of surprising that she agreed to go to my place. Maybe because I told it to her thru Facebook already and I also had the dancing plan.

During the walk to my house I was able to relax her a bit. She started to return me the kino. When we arrived to my place I first only shown it to her and then I took her somewhere else in order to make her comfortable to return. Proven, works. I took laptop and we went to rooftop. I told her before that I like rooftops and the dancing was prearranged. She came up with the idea to teach me a dance typical for the north of Mexico. I was surprised, almost (nicely) shocked how much of kino she gave me during the dance. The dance is kind of funny, so we laugh out a lot. During the dance we were kind of fighting for lead. I was supposed to learn, thus to follow, but I'm used to take a lead in dancing. Then we moved back to my room. She was already comfortable with it. There we continued with dancing. It turned more and more to fighting than dancing. I started to bite her neck and arms. During the whole date I maintained the sexual thread. I make constantly comments with sexual undertone. I explicitly let her know several times that I'm watching her tits and her ass. Later I started to touch her ass along with C&F. Her response was always positive.
It took me incredibly long to kiss her. I have to admit I was coward in that part. But finally I dragged her towards me and stated kissing. The intensity of her response was incredible. She was longing for a kiss and when she finally got it she wasn't able to stop. She told me that Europeans kiss quite differently that Mexicans (I'm used to grab girl's neck from behind, as a kitten, with my hand).
We fell into bed and she made a joke that she doesn't like the bed, because things may happen there. I don't understand it.  She insisted several times on no sex on a first date verbally and non-verbally. But she could also mean by "things may happen there" that she actually ready now. Maybe I fucked it up at this moment. I turned the sentence against her. I have just one chair in room, so made her sit on me astride. I absolutely love this position, when I have her breast in front of my eyes. At this moment came her first serious shit test:

She: "I have a boyfriend."
Me: "Don't worry I not gonna tell him."
She: "Okay, I don't have a boyfriend ... but nothing gonna happen today."
Me: "Don't worry I not gonna push you in something you don't want."
She: "What about you? Do you have a girlfriend back in Czech?"
Me: "I did break-up before going to Mexico, coz of going to Mexico." (Which is actually truth. But I'd say the same even if it was a lie.)
She: "You can tell me anything, since I don't have any way to know if it's a true."
Me: "Well, my problem is that I'm really bad at lying."

I don't know what exactly I said. But then she dropped a bomb to me. "Oh, you're still in love with her." I realized that she actually might be right. I started to mumble something and I think I was able to get away with it. I still don't understand what was it. Was it another shit test? Did she really mean it? Or both? Then we again started kissing and touching. I proceeded to the beautiful breasts of her. She did repeatedly push me back. But obviously she was very excited. I applied rule "Two step forward, one step back." At some point she lost her control and I was able push her bra up and play with her nipples. (Btw. I really like the Mexican phrase "buenos teclas". But sadly, not everyone gets it. It's something like playing the piano, where keyboard refers to nipples.) She eventually regained her control and pushed the bra back on place. After that she was fine with me playing with her breasts thru clothes, but she didn't let me undress her shirt, or lift the bra again. Surprisingly her nipples were not as sensitive, she preferred when I touched the whole breast. I was in hurry to get ready for the trip, so I let her cool down and then I walked her to a bus stop. After an hour I sent her message:
Me: I can still smell your perfume from my shirt, nice one :-) Send me a message that you arrived safely.
She: I'm home. Cute message! It was nice hanging out with you. Take care nino and safe drive XD

Conclusion
I'm a such nice guy :-( I have to buy some pills against it. I think could have taken it further if I wasn't such a nice guy.
On the other hand I liked the whole date and I had lots of fun. I wasn't bored any single minute. There was no sex, but it was not so bad for a first date. The girl is not a model but I like her. If she'll have some issues with having sex, I won't do more than three dates.

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Re: Just a date
« Respuesta #1 en: Septiembre 30, 2011, 04:47:18 pm »
Dude u got some good stuff and some bad stuff there..
The date setting up,or the "inception" as we call it where u make planes about a specific thing to do
is great and i know many ppl that dont do it and later get flakes,so good job there.

But to ask her out 4 times??? WTF? it turns an alarm inside her head that sounds something like that - "needy needy needy"! ajáwey
So..once is really enough she is no special girl to go through so much trouble for her,there is always the next one.
What i usualy do after i get excuses or a flaky tone from the girl is i say ok no problem,and then she is back to end of the list and i try again
a few days or a week later.

Mexicans arent sooo scared like u think,she wouldnt hold ur hand because it was still a big step
of kino for her too soon.You should have started with light touches first,maybe throw in the rings rountine and touch each finger
and like this she starts to getting used to ur touch and then obeys to more stuff,like holding hands.

Showing the house and then leaving,also great did it myself a lot and it works like a charm.
by the way u got ur own place its hugeeee advantage even in xochimilco  ;)
Just try to go somewhere with her before bringing her to the house even for an hour or 40 minuts its not a rule but it wouldnt hurt
and the more places the girl shares with u on a date builds more comfort and looks nices then "meet and straight to the house"..

About the LMR u could have done a few things also..So,there are lots of times that a girl says "we wont have sex",or "i dont fuck guys on a first date"
and bla bla bla..To neutralize that u say it before she has a chance to say it..
For example really eraly in the date - Wow u look great but u gotta know nothing is gonna happend tonight.
Or - stop looking at me like im a peace of meat u wont get sex from me that easy.
Or there a great one that girls use on guys - u probably will think im a slut and wont call me in the morning after.

So those make u look like a challenge for her,the sexual stuff u did are good but if theres no challenge and ure that easy
shell get bored.
And get rid of the chair! realy if theres anything to sit on exept the bed then its 1 more obsticle to overcome so dont make ur life harder,
get rid of the chair in the room.

And u were already making out with her i think from there it was a question of making her more horny and getting her to a point of no return.
But when u put her in the chair and u started talking about boyfriends,no sex and bla bla bla u know what happend?
From being all in the moment and horny she got back to her logical state of mind and the moment was gone.

Ok so when u got back to making out again it was really the time to close the deal.She wont let u take off her shirt?
U take off ur own,she cant controll that and its the "go first" principle people are compelled to follow an act when someone else does it first.
Ok and if she resists,says stuff like "its wrong" "we shouldnt do it"..U agree with her but keep doing ur thing
she cant reject a guy who agrees with her it totaly imposible logicaly so she rationalize it in her brain.
So u say "yeah ure right,its wrong"..."yes ure right we shouldnt do it"...
Total mind fuck :evil

well thats it hope u fuck her next time,good luck O0


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Re: Just a date
« Respuesta #2 en: Octubre 01, 2011, 06:21:34 pm »
But to ask her out 4 times??? WTF? it turns an alarm inside her head that sounds something like that - "needy needy needy"!
Agreed. I usually follow the rule "Twice is enough". But the rule says if she doesn't counter-propose. Which she did. But generally I agree.

...she wouldnt hold ur hand because it was still a big step.
Well, maybe. But it gives you strong confirmation, if it works out. It's kind of power play. But you don't score in every power play.

Just try to go somewhere with her before bringing her to the house even for an hour or 40 minuts its not a rule but it wouldnt hurt and the more places the girl shares with u on a date builds more comfort and looks nices then "meet and straight to the house"..
Well I just stuck to a pre-agreed plan. And there was a 20mins walk to my house. And she was already bitchin about such long walk. I didn't want to kill the atmosphere of active date with sitting somewhere at a cafe. But you're right with the insufficient comfort.

To neutralize that u say it before she has a chance to say it..
For example really eraly in the date - Wow u look great but u gotta know nothing is gonna happend tonight. Or - stop looking at me like im a peace of meat u wont get sex from me that easy.
Or there a great one that girls use on guys - u probably will think im a slut and wont call me in the morning after.
Yep. I forgot and she was faster :-(

And get rid of the chair!
Didn't get this idea. I'll definitively try it.

... u started talking about boyfriends,no sex and bla bla bla u know what happend?

That's not the first time I got this shit test. I think I survived it quite well.


U take off ur own
  This was the key. And the major think I did wrong. I intended to use it as IOI. But I was so wrong. Week later I was in same situation, but I knew already. It shown up that this tiny think was the difference between not having FC and having it.


Ok and if she resists,says stuff like "its wrong" "we shouldnt do it"..U agree with her but keep doing ur thing
she cant reject a guy who agrees with her it totaly imposible logicaly so she rationalize it in her brain.
So u say "yeah ure right,its wrong"..."yes ure right we shouldnt do it"...
Total mind fuck :evil
Yes I did this too. But it was simply not enough.

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Re: Just a date
« Respuesta #3 en: Octubre 01, 2011, 06:43:03 pm »
Chainsaw could you please move this topic to some non-public section? E.g.  to "Experiencias, Anécdotas y Reportes". I want to add some more details which I don't want to make totally public.

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